User talk:Super Sam

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Hey, you remember me? I'm Seriously, from waaaaay back when! Sans username. What had happened all this time? Why was the fanstuff wiki taken off?

There was a purge of all the crap on the wiki. Raiku 22:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC).

To whoever edited my post, it was only a partial exaggeration and meant to be facetious. And why was there a purge? Did Its Dot Com just decide we needed it?

Yes, after you left, there was an influx of horrible fanstuff by users who just didn't know what they were doing. After a bunch of complaints, It's dot com just decided to delete it all but delayed the reopening indefinitely, hence the purge. I remember you. You changed your name to Will, didn't you? Unless you were also on the HRWiki, you won't have access to your account, so if you're planning on becoming active, I suggest just making a new one. 00:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet?

Hello, it's GrilledCheese. I have no idea what my password was set to when the Wiki was purged anymore, and there isn't a "Forgot Your Password?" button anywhere. I have the urge to make a new account, but I'm aware that Sockpuppetry isn't taken lightly. I just want to know beforehand so I don't make a new one and get canned later on. --GrilledCheese

All accounts have been linked to the HRWiki. If you don't remember your password there either, then just click the "Email new password" button. 21:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain I never had an account there. So should I just make a new one? --GrilledCheese

Ah, nevermind. I'm an idiot. --GrilledCheese

Upload File Problems

I'm not eligible for the "Upload File" feature anymore, and I can't post a majority of my fanstuff if I don't have access to that. Can you help a sister out and confirm me? Thanks. Dennis Dunjinman 18:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

It'll happen by itself after a few days or a certain number of edits. Unfortunately I have no idea how many days or what the number of edits is! - Super Sam 23:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that Super Sam was a VAN

SKUB 00:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

don't make me get the vanhammer on you - Super Sam 03:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

somebody's a bit sore about this

I'd be pretty sore too actually if I were ever to become this vankrupt SHADOW SCYTHE 05:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Van't we all just get along?? SKUB 19:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Not funny, skub.--Strongstarhomebad 20:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Van we just quit while we're ahead? SgtRufufuReturns 20:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC) P. S. Help I'm Having an Aneurysm should be on the SUW.

at least its not on your mom 00:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

your attempt at being edgy has failed horribly. - Super Sam 00:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Your pathetic attempt at acting verbose has fail miserably The McArby! 00:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

D Homsar44withpie

This discussion started out real cool then it got real lame. Please stop. — ChwokaTalk

Super Van has come to a stop sign. Bellstrom 02:00, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: This conversation will continue to be lame and there is nothing you can do about it. The McArby! 02:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: The Super Van has just run over a lame person. Bellstrom 02:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: OW! My partt of me that got run over by a Super Van --The McArby! 02:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

It's all my fault; I should have never taken advantage of the situation SKUB 02:22, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Me, I'm just glad I had a distanced vantage point over the whole thing. — ChwokaTalk 02:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

You mean a distant VANtage point!

congratulations, that was the joke - Super Sam 03:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

potatoes

Looks like we've got a vandal at night... otherwise known as a VAN

SKUB 02:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

@Homsar44: are you just going to be the guy who inserts random words in a conversation in a futile attempt to be funny

i hate that guy -- Nacho^Talk 02:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Help, I'm having a vaneurysm SKUB 02:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

where the heck did you get that from 23:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

AmishFurniture

Obviously an advertising account. Hasn't done much but edit his talk page, which has a link to Amish outlet store. Cyrus 11:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The super van saves again ;w; Cyrus 20:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

the van saves the day once avan --SamuelGuy10 20:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I actually think this could have been a Joke User. I mean, think about it; Amish + Electronics=Irony --Styx Fan 23:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

*cough* Bellstrom 00:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Fanstuff wiki closing

You forgot the part about not even being bold enough to post that in a place where I'd be likely to see it. Don't you have the stones to yell at me to my face? The fact that you have chosen not to communicate with me directly has contributed to the wiki's downfall as much as anything else.

Besides, you're wrong. I didn't kill the fanstuff. It was already mortally wounded when we decided to go through with the purge. If the wiki was really worth saving then we wouldn't have needed to do that. The purge was a last-ditch effort to cut away the cancer of immature users and the wasteland of content that the fanstuff had grown into and start fresh. The hope was that we could turn it from a playground that preteens used as a social network into something that we'd be proud of, something that featured some bona fide genuine quality. I admit the purge did drag on longer than I wanted it to, partially for technical reasons and partially because subconsciously I was afraid that we'd just end up right back where we started. Still, throughout the whole process, the hope—my hope—was real.

When the wiki reopened, you had the opportunity to build it back up, but neither you nor any of the other sysops currently seem to be that interested in doing so, based on each of your contributions. I'm not blaming you; I'm just observing. We all only have so much energy to go around, and it's clear that no one, including yourself, has the energy to administer this wiki in a way befitting something resembling a quality exhibit, and I'm not interested in maintaining a wiki purely as a social network. I therefore intend to shut this place down—for real this time.

I really am sorry that it has come to this. Alas. Talk atcha later. — It's dot com 22:37, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

"any of the other sysops" - You mean the ones that aren't active and were barely active for a while before the purge? You're pretty much the only really active person here with any real administrative abilities. Why don't you use some of them? As far as I can tell, the only things you've done with your powers since you reopened the wiki was changing some names, removing Super Sam's powers, and abruptly deleting an actually rather good fanstuff that was just barely outside "the scope of the wiki", when Coffee man is constantly churning out horrifyingly written slop. Slop that you yourself explicitly stated would be deleted on sight, in a post that you actually told me to look at when I protested the deleting of said actually good fanstuff. He's not listening to us. He'd listen to you, but you just don't want to bother with it. You're quietly waiting for others to do it for you. But we can't. The best we can do is sweep his garbage under the rug of subpages. And the sysops won't. We all know they won't. Almost all of the sysops are inactive. And they won't just magically start patrolling the wiki again. I'd bet that some of them don't even know that this place is back. And yet, you're acting as if they're all watching the wiki, just as quietly and unobtrusively as you, and laughing uproariously at what's currently happening. I'm ashamed, It's dot com. I'm very ashamed. Bellstrom 23:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

You want to pay me to do that? I don't draw any kind of salary for the work I do for these sites. My intention when we reopened was to play a more active role, but it turns out I was stretching myself too thin. The other sysops are the ones who are supposed to be carrying out the day-to-day operations anyway. I didn't make anyone a sysop without communicating with them first. It is they who have abandoned the site. (Again, I'm not blaming them; this site simply isn't a priority for them anymore. Nevertheless, we have to deal with the situation we're in.) If Super Sam hadn't quit now (in such spectacular fashion, I might add), we wouldn't be where we are. You shouldn't feel too bad. I think pretty much everyone knows this was inevitable, and this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. — It's dot com 23:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

oh noooo now look what you've done Bellstrom, I'm not the first person to rant now
Anyway there's nothing like a bit of DRAMA so let's get this show on the road

It's no secret that you read the fanstuff forum. How often you read it is anybodies guess, but I was sure you would read it sooner or later. Looks like I was correct

You claim it's my fault for not communicating with you directly? That's pretty rich. 90% of the time we had no idea what you were doing, and that sir is your fault. You very, very rarely even bothered to talk to the other Fanstuff users: you know, the ones that are supposed to be in charge of. The onus is not on us to pry information out of you, and who knows what discussions went on behind the scenes that none of us were privy to.

There was nothing inherently wrong with the purge, and indeed, most of us thought it was a great idea. What went wrong was taking over a year and a half to do so. If you only took a month to do it the wiki would not be dead.

As for the whole "social playground" thing, you just don't get it. The wiki was always about a social environment. This is a very different place from the Knowledge Base. The wiki has always been about people creating fanstuff, commenting on it, involving the community. You can't just turn something like that into a barren art gallery of fanstuff. It's hard to articulate, but if you participated in the community you would know. If you didn't want to participate in the community, then you shouldn't have been in charge.

When the userbase and general interest has been decimated by 527 days of not-having-a-wiki, of course it's going to be hard to build it back up again. Rome wasn't built overnight. Don't pretend that it's our fault, though.

So it looks like the Fanstuff has finally come to an end. I don't think there are many users who will mind. We still have the forum, and we still have the WUW. I will ask, however, that you provide us (or, more accurately, me) with a database dump of the wiki, both current and pre-purge. There's no reason to lose all that wonderful content, is there?

You can blame me all you want, but the only person you're fooling is yourself. I don't believe any of this was my fault, and I don't think you'll find many others who share that opinion. I will thank you for the work you did pre-purge, though. As a first gen I'm sure were a great credit to the wiki when it first started up.

Cheers, Super Sam 00:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You're both being babies, Dottie and Samwich. Il Dottore, you're crying more than Bella Swan in New Moon! (<- Obvious exaggeration. No one can out-cry Bella.)

• IDC: Questioning my leadership? How dare he! Guards, arrest this heathen!
• *Crickets*
• IDC: Hmm. The other Sysops are probably doing something in the field! I'll just have to burn down the entire half of the kingdom where he keeps his summer home! That'll show him! Of course, there'll be collateral... Who cares about the Summer home half! Off to document Homestar's pants!

Seriously Dottsmartin, it's childish to destroy fanstuff because Sam on Rye criticized your leadership. Spend more time here too, because Super Clams is right.

Super Ham: Learn the art of constructive criticism. Beginning with 'you suck' generally does not attracts good attention. So learn that art, because other people do, come back and explain, in polite terms, your point. Because Telling him he sucks shanks a fork through all of your argument.

• The Incredibly Dead Espemon33300:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Starting anything with "You Suck" at anything is a real bad move. It's sad it has to come with this, I was liking doing Superstar, Bub's Blog, and Crack Stuntman Emails.
Were I able to help at any time I would have, but A. I know better not to ask to become a Mod or whatever. and B. I'm not much of a leader type person. —TheMcArby! 01:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I know nobody's going to care since I'm pretty much unknown and the decision has already been made, but here's my 2 cents:

Please don't close down the fanstuff wiki. If you want to stop us from socializing, find another website to join. This isn't supposed to be some museum. This is supposed to be a place where out inner creativity can tap in and let loose. It was supposed to be a place where community could feel warm & fuzzy. Now, since the purge took 2 years, we're a barren wasteland. People abandoned us because the wiki was under lockdown, being gut open and taken apart bit by bit. I don't want this to be like some boring art museum that teachers all the time drag kids to.

I want this to be a community. --User:Power Pie 01:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Dude, just head for the WUW. Raiku 02:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Would if I had a link. --User:Power Pie 01:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Super Sam: I already said twice that I don't blame you. I also have no problem with wiki users forming a community. I get that that's important. I'm not closing the wiki because people use it for things other than Homestar Runner fanstuff (even though we both know they do) or even because (let's be honest) the overall quality is so poor. I'm closing it because there have been no substantial contributions or administrative actions from any of the elected sysops in way too long, in some cases months. It boils down to this: We can't have a wiki if no one wants to run it. Your quitting simply brought the situation to a head. I understand that your and others' priorities have changed. No one's faulting you for that. You can point fingers at me and yell at me if you want, and I'll accept my fair share of the responsibility for how things have turned out. I also apologize for not communicating better. We can't change the past, however. The reality we have to face now is that we've been limping along for a while. It's finally time to shut it down for real. Despite what you might think, I stress that I never intended to close the wiki permanently until now. I would have preferred things to turn out differently, but that's the way it goes sometimes. — It's dot com 05:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

IDC's just mad because someone pointed out the truth to him. Seriously Dot Com - admit you don't give a rat's toot about the fanstuff. StrongIntelligent

If that were true I wouldn't have reopened the wiki back in January. This has very little to do with whether I care and everything to do with the fact that your sysops have left.

• Bluebry: Last action was 10 days ago
• Joshua: Last action was 11 days ago; left a quit message 2 weeks ago
• Lunar Jesters: Last action was 3 months ago; has never done any administrative actions since we reopened
• Shwoo: Last action was 6 weeks ago
• Super Sam: Last action was 2 months ago; quit a week ago

I've said this already but I'll say it again: I do not blame them for leaving. I don't blame anyone for leaving. I understand that priorities change. On top of that I think that ultimately we the site admins and the local sysops here wanted different things out of the purge, and I now believe it's not possible to reconcile those different interests. I'm not being, as you claim, a baby about it; I'm just being realistic. It's time to face the unpleasant fact that we've finally run out of steam. C'est la vie. None of this is to say you can't post Homestar Runner fanstuff on some other site or continue your community on your forum or whatever. We're just not going to do it here anymore. — It's dot com 19:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, since there is probably nothing any of us can do, the least I can say is thanks for the warning so we can actually get our stuff out of here to continue elsewhere. It's been a fun 4 months. —TheMcArby! 20:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't help the fact that...

IDC: Well let's see hm purge

{closes down the wiki}

IDC: Alright I'll do it tomorrow

{500-something days later}

IDC: Urgh I've postponed enough ok time to work

OLD USERS: we don't want it anymore

IDC: ASDSGFAKSFKLHdsa Fine I'm closing it

NEW USERS: but--

-20eric06 20:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Meh, that's a bit of an oversimplification. It's not like during that time I never tried to fix anything. I also suspect that, with or without the purge, the old users would have gotten fed up and left regardless. People struggled with the idea of staying here long before the purge was even considered, and I think without the purge things would have been just as bad if not worse. The biggest problem is that this wiki just doesn't scale well, and I don't think a wiki platform is ideal for hosting fanstuff. Yes, there is some genuine talent here, but eventually it gets drowned out by all the noise. We started seeing it happen again almost as soon as we reopened. I don't have the energy to try to quiet the noise anymore. If any of the sysops did, then maybe we could have held out for a little longer, but apparently none of them do either. — It's dot com 22:07, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in just letting the wiki start back up again. Is it a bandwidth hog or something? 500+ days left everyone in a state of apathy, and it's unreasonable to think that it would wear off so quickly. A lot of us have matured to the point where we don't want to write anymore, but even though some of the new users are less than mature, they obviously enjoy writing. They'll improve with time, but only if they have a medium here to improve and involve themselves in a community. If you think this is irrelevant, then whatever, but it's just my two cents. TheCheese 23:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

This is a reasonable request, and I wish it could be this way, but unfortunately we're no longer willing to do this. Please see my further comments below. — It's dot com 02:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Dot Com, stop pretending that you're the good guy and the other sysops are the ones who killed this wiki. You're not putting anything out of it's misery, trust me. There are at least 5 people who don't want to see this wiki die enough to stand up to you. Fanstuffites! Do something for your wiki! If enough active users want to be sysops, it may be enough to save fanstuff! Espemon333 00:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I never said I was the good guy. I'll go so far as to say I'm not the good guy. I've also said five or six times I'm not putting fault on the sysops. (Yes, their leaving has direct consequences, but I understand and sympathize with their reasons.) I really did want to be the good guy. I wanted to play a more active role so that this reboot would be successful. Ultimately I fell short of that goal. When it's all said and done, though, good intentions and a buck forty-five might get you a plain cup of coffee. So I'm sorry the wiki is closing. I'm sorry for people like Shwoo who have talent and who must now find a different place to feature it. And you will need to find some other place, because this decision has been made. If you've been around for a while, and if you're honest with yourself, you know that it's been a very long time in coming. I've read comments on the forum, and I don't see despair; I don't see outrage. What I do see is indifference. This comment from Joshua sums it up perfectly: "Okay well that's that. A shame but really about three years overdue." So you don't need to feel too bad. All of our lives are going to be better. We the admins don't have to worry about administering this place, and you guys get to go do whatever you want. Just as long as you do it somewhere else. — It's dot com 02:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

So you are basically throwing us out into the open internet to find a new home? Ew, there's furries out there. Homsar44withpie 03:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, y'know, you've got your forum if you want to stay in touch with each other. Then there's places like deviantArt, Flikr, and FanFiction.net for serious works. In several significant ways this isn't truly an end. Do watch out for the furries though. — It's dot com 04:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

what are you talking about these are all terrible places — ChwokaTalk 00:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, deviantArt, has many, many homestar runner fans, and said fans post many comics (excluding sprites) and fanfics. Some users have actually made groups dedicated to making said artwork. Vist it sometime. You'd be amazed.(not trying to self advertise).--Record307 ^Talk/_Contribs 01:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

unfortunately we cannot handle the swears and the scary, scary images in DeviantArt. ;-; Homsar44withpie

No, deviantART is pretty much the seventh worst site on the internet.— ChwokaTalk

Right behind this place. *rimshot* I'm just pointing out that there are other places. If you know of better places then you should go there instead. — It's dot com 16:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

We've had an excellent run and it's impressive we've managed over half a decade of writing about weird animal things. To say the wiki is dead now is odd seeing as there were days a while back when less edits were being made and we've never had that large of a community. But still good work. I don't think Dot Com is denying the purge was a huge failure but especially the lack of communication and general coldness to anyone asking what the craic was was especially messed. I think Homestar Runner is on its last legs, so it's probably fair enough that the wiki within the wiki of said website isn't fairing well. But let it be known that all the new users are most welcome on the forum (http://z13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/ ) and we can still be besties <3 --honky tonk woman 16:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah once the brothers chaps gave up on their work it makes sense for this to follow suit. Oh well just need to save my stuff into the bowels of my computer, what fun. (Also where did that time capsule go we need to dig it up before it's too late.) Also stop yelling at dot com everybody this place was dying waaaaay before he showed up. - Joshua 20:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh hey guys. Who are all these new guys? Filthy fourthies? (just kidding i love all of you) I pretty much agree that it's time to put this place to rest. That or appoint some new guys as sysops and let them do their own thing. I think any more of It's dot com interfering with the wiki (save for closing it down) would not be for the better. Well, my administrative duties are at their end; well, they have been for a while. Come to think of it, I had pretty much lost interest in this place before I was asked to be a sysop. Godspeed. ¤ The Mü^HM☺_TWT^HCH_U☺ 02:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I like looking at the fanstuff here. -a not logged in fangoriously.

The wiki's been dead for at least three years. I haven't seen any meaningful content. I haven't seen a reason to generate any new content, as there's no audience. Still, I'm sad to see it go. Considering I joined in fifth grade and always came home to write a Thatkidsam email or some crappy sprite comic and get near-instant feedback from a huge group of users I grew to respect, I'm pretty sad to see it dissolve. But those days are long gone. The purge got me excited - I might finally have a reason to contribute again! But as it took five hundred days, the passion just left and I did more productive things. Ah, the wiki. So it goes. -THATKIDSAM 23:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with ThatKidSam, word-for-word. But I also think we shouldn't be giving IDC a hard time. He has his reasons and they're quite valid in this case. Though it's completely irrelevant, I'm sure everyone's got higher priorities and have since moved on; using their talents for great things whether they be fanstuff or otherwise. I must say, this whole argument has been a good read. I'm happy for the good and bad times I spent at the wiki, and I, like most, will be sad to see it go. But now we must all accept it... or not, I respect everyone's opinion. -Mitchell00 14:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If you guys close the wiki, I'll gnaw your face's off. this wiki can still be good, we just have to give it time, so users that don't know we've re-opened, can re-fill the wiki with good stuff. I admit that my email show sucked, but still, there's alot of quality fanstuff here that needs to be archived, which i can do if you like. but never the less, alot of users havn't seen that the wiki is open again, so just give us some time, and I'm sure it will be better. also, It's not JUST its dot com's fault that the wiki was 400 days too late, It's everyones fault, way too much stuff on the wiki was made of fail and cancer, which is why it took so long, because you guys had to find the cancer, all of it, and remove it, but then you had to format all the other pages with that update that came that was needed, so that added at least 200 days. It might of taken longer because alot of people we're probably checking this website to see if we we were back online, which probably slowed the server down, in conclusion, super sam, its not just its dot coms, fault, its your fault, and my fault, and everybodys fault. --Homoon 16:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, this was a quick development. I must say that I expected the wiki to end up being shut down after the first year of the purge, but I never realized it would come this soon until Super Sam left and everything came crashing down with him. I regret that you had to make this tough decision, Dot com, especially with all the backlash you knew would come (though being in control of not one, but two wikis would probably make unpopular choices something you're used to). However, like Sam said, it would be nice to at least make some kind of copy of the pre-purge site public, though it doesn't have to be on your servers, of course. It would also be nice to know if you at least discussed this with the other developers, especially JoeyDay, to know that you aren't alone in this haste resolution. 03:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Of course it was discussed. I know you guys like to vilify me, but I'm the only one of the admins who ever argued for keeping this wiki open as long as we have. — It's dot com 03:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

if the wiki is going to close, what am I suppose to do? Just asking.TVBAgain 13:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

then where; where do we put our fanstuff? on the wiki? or perhaps we could just close it for...10 days? -Coffee man

You do realize that the majority of users will only filter back to the knowledge base. You're doing this, in the long run, will only create more problems for you over there.-- 15:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No they won't, because they've got nothing to do there. If they try to create fanstuff, we'll just delete it. Last time, they stuck around mostly because there was a hope this place would reopen. There won't be that hope this time. — It's dot com 19:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Can we at least keep the wiki itself open, just lock it to new stuff? HRFan85 15:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No. The point of closing it is that we no longer have the resources to administer it. — It's dot com 19:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

It's dot com, you claim that there was a disscussion with other high powers about this decision. May we see it? --An annony who enjoys fanstuff. 19:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Nah, that's not how it works. It's enough for you to know that it was discussed. — It's dot com 19:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh well aren't you powerful. You go ahead and hide behind the false feeling of power you have, when the truth is, and we all know it, you're the real reason things have gotten worse here. And rather than man up to it and simply apologize, you've taken it out on all of us. And if you honestly don't see this whole mess as your fault, than you certainly need more help than this community does. You act as if you understand all that goes on around here, but really how can you even pretend to understand anything without really embracing it? When was the last time you honestly looked at this place and considered joining in? Or do you honestly believe you're better than the rest of us? -- 00:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty clear you either didn't read this thread at all or just kind of skimmed it. There's probably no real use in my giving a more detailed reply if you're going to miss everything I say. — It's dot com 00:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

HEY HERE'S A WILD IDEA:

Instead of blaming others let's all blame each other.

I mean, come on, IDC, you should've been able to foretell that there was virtually no benefits in opening and leaving this place open in the beginning, many years ago. It's a wiki, and the traditional use of a wiki is for non-profit, not output/income work. If I got paid to google letters of the alphabet, I'd totally be all over it, but that's not how it works.

And if Super Sam really ever did have the power to open it up, then why didn't he thoroughly use it? He was on the forums almost every day for about 200 days straight. Maybe if you guys communicated more often there'd be no internal or external conflicts within the re-starting of and the collapse of the Fanstuff wiki.

But the question herein lies in, maybe the entire purge was a bad idea as a whole. And who authorized it? Both of you. And Joshua, and just about every other sysop. A Purge and a holocaust are only different in the sense that they have different names, ours worked, took less time, and wasn't ever punishable by law. Still, the eradication of all things non-perfect and sterile seems pretty clod-headed and egocentric if you ask me.

You did take the time to get outreach from the community, but you still all barely listened to us. Half of us said that we didn't even want a purge, and then most of the rest had good input and suggestions. There's never a right time for ignorance, ever, and you should all be ashamed of that as an administrative whole.

But the real epicenter of the problem, the tumor in the brain of the Wiki was the users who couldn't help but make crap. This includes EVERYONE. In truth, it was a waste to dedicate a whole knowledge base to making funny and exciting things about imaginary characters. It only helped by being a creative vent, and if that were ever the case, a lot of people who frequent and once frequented this place really seem to be fans of defecating in their air ducts, because, man, did we really make crap.

Don't you all see? We all shattered the dreams we built together, as friends. Because that's what happens in life. Empires grow and fall. Always have, always will. Maybe we're all the idiots and morons for trying to waste time on making fanon that we KNEW would get us nowhere, getting ourselves hooked on the cheap thrill of making it, needing to cleanse everything within the network, and falling into a coma induced by lack of interest that we all made.

In the end, we're just a typical group, we're all at fault, and there was never any need to fight. Doesn't that fill you all up with sunshine and happiness? I know it does for me... ^Talk 01:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

How picturesque. You We can play the blame game all day long. Won't change anything. The purge was probably a bad idea in the sense that it was unrealistic to think it could accomplish what I hoped it would. Check that, the purge did exactly what we all hoped it would—deleting the crap. What didn't work was the reboot. (Does anybody really think things wouldn't have gone south just as fast—if not faster—if we'd reopened any sooner?) We probably should have made the tough decision to close at the time of the purge instead of stringing everyone along. And I do regret that anyone was strung along. — It's dot com 01:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree, but let me for the record say that I'm not playing the blame game, I'm trying to get everyone else to stop playing the blame game. ^Talk 02:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I adjusted my post slightly. — It's dot com 02:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Is someone going to back up whatever's left of the wiki? Y'know, like the pre-Purge wiki n all its glory for all of us to roemember and behold as the Golden Days of fanstuffs? Homsar R.

By the way, Dot com, is there a specific date you're going to give the HRFWiki the axe? I'd also like to address one of your previous posts:
"Last time, [the users] stuck around mostly because there was a hope this place would reopen. There won't be that hope this time."
So you mean that you're aware the HRWiki will lose a lot more activity without a partner site to blow off steam on? I admit that most of the users here wouldn't hang around there either way because, no offense, it's kind of boring in comparison (not helped by the fact that the site itself isn't really giving us anything new to edit anymore), and you never expected the fanstuff to get as much popularity as it did with the younger, less experienced, demographic. I agree that most of the users didn't really belong in the first place, but I just want to make sure. I am extremely sorry for bothering you with more questions, and I promise these will be my last. 02:03, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

No offense taken. I really don't think there's that much more to say. People have had a week to chime in, and I think that's plenty. We're probably looking at less than a day. — It's dot com 02:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Can I have my fanstuff files (or did Super Sam get the wiki files to backup somewhere else?) I have some last minute backups to make but I fear the wiki will be gone by the time I get back from work :[ - Joshua 09:55, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

SECOND. I desperately need fanstuff backups. -THATKIDSAM 18:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, folks, the time has come. Anydangway, to properly make an example out of both you, and the wiki's butts, I'm going to whip out an old classic move of Strong Bad's, and hit you with a little uhhhh digga digga digga digga digga digga DEL—LOCKED! I wish you all good luck in your life's endeavors. Keep on tranglin'. — It's dot com 20:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)